College International - Eganaude v CIV

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N.-199005

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My daughter has just been accepted for the international section at Eganaude. I'm really disappointed as I was supposing that all children from Cagnes would go to CIV. I've heard so many bad things about l'Eganaude that I'm rather concerned. Plus the whole fact that it is not really an international school but just one English section class really bothers me. Can anyone give a clear opinion based on facts? Thanks

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Le Rouret family 1275430872

Our Daughter goes to the CIV and the children work very hard to gain their results.


However the Attendance of the TEACHERS at the CIV is very very poor, at least 30% of my daughters lessons each week are cancelled due to the TEACHERS not turning up for their job.


We do pay fees for this school but sometimes I wonder why.


I can not comment on the school your child has been put forward to.

ChristopherL-188542 1275438087

The CIV is not really an international school. It is a French school with several native language sections. The anglophone native language section in the CIV collège level is more or less the same as the single native language section at Eganaude collège. It is run by the same association employing private teachers in conjunction with Education Nationale providing buildings, logistics and French teachers teaching the same curriculum.


The CIV stopped being a real international school when they rejected offering an internationally recognised lycée level diploma some years ago. Instead they offer the BOI which is French Bacc + options in languages. To be fair the CIV offers BOI in 4 languages (I even herad of Russian coming as a 5th). Eganaude is a collège so they do not go as far as the Bacc but they do prepare for it in English. Because the CIV is collège + lycée I guess you will get a more cosmopolitan "mix" of students at the CIV. Still the fact remains that both CIV and Eganaude at collège levels teach for the French Bacc. If you have a child in Eganaude collège - I wonder does he/she automatically go on to the CIV for lycée?

Lou-lou-265801 1275470412

Re: If you have a child in Eganaude collège - I wonder does he/she automatically go on to the CIV for lycée?



I believe a child can go to the CIV lycee but not will not necessarily be accepted into the International section if they have not reached the minimum acceptable standard.


michelle-180928 1275471880

When my daughter was in Trois Collines, I was told by the ASEICA teacher that the level of English at Eganaude is slightly lower than CIV simply due to the number of children in the section.

At the beginning of the year, they test the level of English and split the kids into groups (A, B, C, D). There are fewer kids at Eganaude and as such they often have A/B and C/D classes rather than a full class of "level A" students.

Other than that, Christopher is right that, it is the same teachers from ASEICA that teach at both schools as well as Niki de St Phalle in Valbonne.

As far as being "automatically" accepted into the CIV lycée, I believe that, in the same way that the children already in one of the ASEICA primary sections move directly into the collège, they do follow along to the lycée. Grades permitting - of course!

I believe that you can petition the Académie de Nice to have your child moved to CIV if you have reasonable grounds...

Hope that helps!


SJ-190944 1275585858

My son is just finishing 6eme in the International Section at Eganaude. The teachers and the course content is the same as the CIV, as far as I'm aware. There are two English classes in his year, divided this year into A, B and C groups (only for certain English classes), according to their ability at the beginning of the year (they can be moved later, if it is determined that they are not in the right group). My son has progressed well, the overall level of the class is good and, yes, a lot is expected of the students, as they are seen as being a motivated group. The Internatational Section kids seem to stick together, but there doesn't, so far, seem to be any feeling of being "separate" or different. Kids tend to stick with other kids from their class, anyway. We have been happy overall with the school, but not having had any experience with the CIV, I cannot compare the two. There seem to be plenty of absent teachers at Eganaude as well, although not as many as someone mentioned at the CIV.

SJ-190944 1275656572

I have just heard from someone whose child has been accepted into 6eme at Eganaude that they are going to be mixing the International Section in with the normal French classes, in order to encourage an increase in grade averages in the French classes. Is this true?

Lou-lou-265801 1275656825









Re: <<I have just heard ... they are going to be mixing the International Section in with the normal French classes>>
I believe they already do this for non-English subjects (French, Maths etc). Only the subjects taught in English have an international section class.

SJ-190944 1275662188

No, that's not how it's been this year, anyway. The International section kids are all in the same class (actually 2 classes for English and half for Italian) and they only split up for their different English lessons, but are together for all their French language courses. I don't mind, in principle, but apparently the international classes have a high level, higher than the only French classes, and they are apparently going to intersperse all the International section kids throughout all the classes in order to bring all the class averages up, meaning there will be no specific, separate international classes, just kids who have the ASEICA English lessons. I think this could be potentially demotivating for these kids and may rather bring their individual averages down.

N.-199005 1275940958

Thanks for the input. Yes, she will automatically go to CIV in Lycée but I'm now worried abut what you say Christopher - is there no longer the Baccalaureat International at the CIV ?

carola-247112 1275947102

No, there is no IB at the CIV. You can only do it at the International school of Nice. The IB section closed a few years ago, It was fantastic and a great shame that it collapsed. The CIV is offering the French bac with international options and we had a bad expierience of teachers absent frequently and long days of dull education. Nothing like the IB program.

N.-199005 1275949639

If that's the case then is the reputation about the CIV being thee place to go really founded? I think most Lycées today offer European sections or specialised language Baccalaureats so is it just as good to stay "local" ?

Lou-lou-265801 1275986677

That was my question in a previous discussion: http://riviera.angloinfo.com/forum/topic.asp?topic_id=180075


Apart from the students benefitting from an international environment - there doesn't seem to be any great advantage when weighed up against the very long days, teacher absences etc. My children currently go to a local college and are already fluent in written and spoken English. I remain to be convinced that it's worth the extra effort and expense to send them to the CIV lycee.


chris100-202426 1275991119

I am teaching non French in CIV.( part time). As I am not a 'functionair', I notice the main difference is that in the French system, its not consider part of teachers job to motivated the student. Therefore tend to be boring. There is a big different in how one should teach... In other words, the students are motivated more by their peers. The materiel are all the same(defined by the state).
So in that sense, I do prefer my children to be exposed more to the international group and hoping they will be in good company(kids form local residence)...



ChristopherL-188542 1275994328

N. said;


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but I'm now worried abut what you say Christopher - is there no longer the Baccalaureat International at the CIV ?

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If that's the case then is the reputation about the CIV being thee place to go really founded?

Lou-lou said;


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I remain to be convinced that it's worth the extra effort and expense to send them to the CIV lycee.

Sadly, yes it is true that the wonderful IB diploma program from the world-renowned IBO of Geneva was ousted from the CIV some years ago. Along with a large part (but not all) of the corps of IB teachers taking away a large part of the heart and soul of the Anglophone section at the CIV. Historically, this combined teaching corps IB (private anglophone) /BOI (French, bi-lingual) was what gave the CIV anglophone section its very special atmosphere and its "thee place to go" status in international schooling.


Don't forget that the CIV French-only lycée classes also earn their own "thee place to go" status by their continued high academic results in the standard French bacc and also with their boiler-room "prépa" classes which achieve phenomenal entry stats into the traditional "grandes écoles"


So you should understand that the CIV is a multi-dimensional organisation that caters to quite different populations;



  1. For classic french, it remains a collège/lycée attaining truly excellent reslts (long hours, discipline, very hard course-work and the benefit of some multi-lingual kids and teachers around).

  2. For the expatriate French, it has all the above plus the french soil boarding school.

  3. For the franco/international familes resident on the Cote d'Azur it offers 4 (maybe 5) language sections and good french level integration.

Many anglophone/francophone families resident here will fit comfortably into category 3 and will be quite happy with the CIV. But anglophones (or any other culture for that matter) who desire a full international style education for their children won't get what they used to get at the CIV. In that respect alone I agree entirely with what Lou-lou said.

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